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hey guys how's it going welcome back to

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the disclosure team youtube channel

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this will be the premiere of my

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interview with ross coulthart

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uh we pre-recorded this interview

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because it was 10 a.m here in the uk

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7 p.m in australia for ross i think most

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of um america and a lot of other

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countries would have been asleep

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so we thought that it wouldn't be worth

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going live we wanted everyone to enjoy

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it or as many people as possible to

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enjoy it at the same time

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so we're premiering it here now for you

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guys

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um we had such a great chat um we could

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have gone on for at least twice the

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amount of time that we did but ross is

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obviously a very busy man with um

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interviews and

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appearances and things all regarding the

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recent release of his book in plain

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sight

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so guys i hope you enjoy this interview

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yeah thanks for for watching peace

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welcome ross thank you so much for

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joining me it really means a lot and

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i can imagine that you've been very busy

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recently with the release of the book um

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so yeah how's everything been oh it's

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been very gratifying i mean every

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journalist wants

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what he writes to be uh drawn on and um

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and followed and i'm flattered and

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gratified by the fact that people

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are interested in what i have to say i i

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don't think i'm doing anything

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exceptional vinnie all i'm doing is just

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following the evidence where it leads me

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i have to admit as i've said many times

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i'm quite shocked

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that other mainstream media and digging

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in these very verdant pastures i find it

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been in newsrooms for

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newspapers television and radio and

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everywhere you go

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there's a taboo there's a stigma

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associated with the subject

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of ufos and it's funny because when i'm

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in my very early weeks of writing this

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book and doing my research and i would

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say to friends of mine i'm

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what are you writing your next book

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about ross and i'd say i'm writing a

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book about

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ufos and there would be this ironic

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smile this kind of smirk or giggle that

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would come across people's faces

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somebody did it to me today and the

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reality is i don't think that's

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justified

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i i don't you think about why what why

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does that happen

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why is there that stigma that taboo

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that's attached to the subject

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i just don't think it's warranted and

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what struck me i'm

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i'm a historian by nature i love writing

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history books as much as i do doing

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investigative journalism and i've

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written a lot of first world war

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history and i like contrarian history i

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looking back at history and actually

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seeing what the documents record

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and what fascinated me going through the

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files and looking in the archives of the

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the national security agency the us

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department of defense

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and our files here in australia in the

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department of defense the joint

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intelligence organization was how

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there was a there was a cognitive

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dissonance if you like between what the

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public was being

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told ridicule taboo stigma

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don't take this seriously ignore it all

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it's rubbish just forget about it

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it can all be explained and when you

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looked behind the scenes at the

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declassified files

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in that era of the 70s and the 80s the

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files that

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have been released under the 30-year

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rule that you and i

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operate under it's quite obvious they've

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never stopped looking

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the phenomenon has constantly been being

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monitored and observed

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and i've spoken i was most recently in

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the united states about six weeks ago

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writing a uh articles and uh finishing

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my book and also doing a documentary for

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channel seven here in australia

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and in the course of engaging with u.s

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officials over there

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it was patently obvious to me that

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they've never stopped

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looking at this phenomenon it's always

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a subject of great intense interest

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serious interest and and the taboo and

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stigma that frankly has been attached to

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the subject for the last

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50 years since the end of 60 years

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actually since the end of project blue

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book

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is completely unwarranted i i don't

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it's justified and the fact that you now

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the us department of defense the office

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of the director of national intelligence

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when i was just reading the memo from

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the deputy secretary of defense

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um kathleen hicks where she's

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essentially issued an edict to all

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military aircrew and government

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personnel to report

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uaps i mean it's groundbreaking

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you know this is this is history

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and i'm just wondering why why have we

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allowed ourselves to be so deceived

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because i think the lessons of history

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will show that in

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20 or 30 years time when the full story

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of this era i'm sure we will learn that

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there were cover-ups there were lies

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there was deception

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and just what i'm wrestling with as a

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journalist is why

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what's the reason for that i'm still not

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sure i understand why

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um i mean we just recently had um the

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house of lords here in the uk

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talking about the subject saying that

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the ministry of defense aren't even

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looking into it anymore and i mean

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that to be fair i mean that's [\h__\h] i

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mean you and i know it's [\h__\h] i mean

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i've spoken to people in the british

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government who've told me that that

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there are active investigations on going

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into ufos

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if you haven't already looked at it i

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would recommend you look at the penturk

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incident in wales which is astonishing i

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mean that sounds like a military

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retrieval of some kind

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what the hell's going on why is the

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mainstream media not looking at that

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crazy [\h__\h] that the media has done

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my channel my network where i was

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guilty we were all

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fed lies by the u.s defense department

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that there were weapons of mass

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united kingdom your tony blair

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prime minister john howard we were led

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into war young men died young women

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died fighting a completely unnecessary

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based on the complete misconception that

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there were weapons of mass destruction

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so

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governments lie governments do deceive

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in this case you know why is it such a

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shock for the media that there might

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actually be

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a vast conspiracy that's hiding

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incredible secrets because it's been

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dropped the ball and i i've had

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conversations with journos from america

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and the uk in recent weeks because my

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documentary apparently has been

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bootlegged all around the world it's not

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meant to have been but

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um uh you know people have been watching

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it and saying to me oh gee ross you know

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you're taking this seriously and i go

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well yeah i am

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it's real and they go why do you say

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that and i say because the us pentagon

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says it's real the defense department

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has acknowledged it cannot explain

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143 out of 144 anomalous incidents

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involving sightings of objects tracked

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it's a mystery it's a genuine mystery

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if you believe the u.s i'm not so sure i

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i think i think they know a lot more oh

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it's been speculated for years that

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there's been cover-ups and that we just

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of data or acknowledgement

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documentary fantastic piece of work i

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i've watched it a few times i was really

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interested in one of the cases

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that be the one in 91 at the um the

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joint base the naval communications

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would you mind just giving us a brief

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outline of the story just for people who

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might not be aware of it

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the naval communications base harold e

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is most australians had no idea of this

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i've actually had conversations with

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people in the last few weeks who said to

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me i didn't even know it existed

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and what it is it looks like something

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out of a science fiction movie it's a

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huge

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array of this is meant to be behind me

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oh i said it behind you all right okay

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yeah yeah yeah

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massive hexagonal array of masts that go

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up 300 meters into the air

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and its purpose was conceived in the

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mid-1960s when the americans had

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communicating with their underwater

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nuclear submarines in the event of

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it was designed to send out vlf

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very low frequency signals that could

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penetrate down to about 80 feet under

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which would essentially issue a very

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short message instruction for submarines

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to come closer to the surface

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deploy an acoustic boy with a um a

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listening boy where

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it could receive the communications to

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so this was serious stuff these this was

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a base that was plugged in

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to america's strategic nuclear

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in the event of nuclear war the harold e

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holt base and

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one of the most remote parts of

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cape would definitely be a strategic

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target because the russians

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the chinese they knew and they still

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know that it's basically used to

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communicate with nuclear submarines

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so it's definitely a target something

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took an interest in it and it's not just

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the 1991 incident i can't tell the story

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without saying that

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in the australian files of the defense

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department

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there's an incident that took place in

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october 1973

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at the very height of the

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arab-israeli war and the

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the russians were getting very very

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worried that their ally

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syria might be overrun by the israelis

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because the israelis had completely

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kicked the butts of the allied

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arab nations that had taken them on and

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they were literally on the outskirts of

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damascus

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were really worried they were telling

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henry kissinger the u.s secretary of

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state that they were

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thinking of deploying troops into the

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middle east and henry kissinger had

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warned them you know that would be a

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provocation you know we could risk

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nuclear war if that happens because we

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would go to the defense of our ally

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israel

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and so the world was in an incredibly

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dangerous situation in october 1973

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and the files that i've got from the

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defense department of australia

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show that the deputy commander of that

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base an american

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called maya or moya we're not sure which

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it is

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he reported seeing within hours of

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kissinger lifting the defense readiness

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level from defcon 4 to defcon 3.

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he reported seeing a spherical black

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object hovering over or near the base

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and so did uh an american fireman i saw

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an australian fireman bill lynn william

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lin

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who drew a picture of this object which

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essentially looks like a chubby flying

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saucer

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and when i went through the archives i

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discovered there were numerous

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military sightings of anomalous

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flying saucer disc shaped triangular

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shaped objects

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over and around this base going back

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many many decades

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and so the 1991 incident came at a

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really interesting time in this space's

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the base was in the process of being

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returned to australian control

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the labor government had come in and

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the um hawk prime minister hawk had

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basically asked the americans if this

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could be restored to australian

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control for political reasons because it

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was when you think about it pretty crazy

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that we were giving the americans a

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secret base on australian soil that we

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knew was a nuclear target

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a bit like your greenhouse and numerous

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other bases in the uk

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absolutely and so the americans were

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slowly pulling

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out and a lot of the local girls were a

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bit sweet on some of those american boys

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and so there were parties at the

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at the base and um annie faronaccio was

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a young australian girl who was

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interested in partying at the base

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that night and she came out from

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uh a good night with some of the people

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in the base at about 2 30

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a.m and it was pitch black and she

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realized she'd missed the last cab

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the last taxi that could take her the

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five kilometers down the road

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to exmouth which is the village the

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australians share with the americans

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who operated at the base and then these

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two security yards these two australian

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policemen

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who were they'd now be federal police

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but back in those days they were

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attracted

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known as australian protective security

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officials

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and they came out and said look we'll

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give you a ride back in our four-wheel

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drive and they weren't meant to

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but you know they took pity on this

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young girl and thought nobody would

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notice

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anyway they did their quick checks to

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make sure the base was secure and then

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she hopped in the front seat with them

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and they're driving along this lonely

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dark coast road on this on the road back

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to exmouth

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it's pitch black and then all of a

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sudden like something out of close

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encounters of the third kind the road is

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lit up in front of them

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and the two officers the two police

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officers yell it's back

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and they've seen this it turns out the

401
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night before and they'd actually brought

402
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a camera a 35 millimeter film camera

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with a lens and

404
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they started taking photographs through

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the windscreen

406
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and the way annie tells me it's quite

407
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comical you know she doesn't know what

408
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she's

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what they're seeing and she she can't

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see because it's

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high up above the um the car yeah

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and so they pull their head forward and

413
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she looks up

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black

415
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triangle hovering over the top of the

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vehicle

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and she's freaked completely freaked

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because you can see it's a craft of some

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kind it's got lights running down its

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spine it's got lights in each corner

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and as she watches it

422
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it doesn't move it just flips in an

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instant it goes to a thousand feet is

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her estimate

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and then it just drops instantaneously

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to the side of the vehicle

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to window level and it's like it's

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tracking them along as they're driving

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along at 100 kilometers an hour

430
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and it's literally bobbing up and down

431
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with the shrubs the bush

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as they as they're driving along and

433
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then as they watch

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it instantaneously jumps again and goes

435
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to a thousand feet and then comes down

436
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on the other side of the car

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and by this stage she is completely

438
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freaked and she's pleading with them to

439
00:15:18,150 --> 00:15:15,920
drop her off

440
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on the township edge and and she can

441
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just go home as quickly as possible

442
00:15:23,829 --> 00:15:21,920
but they want they want to follow it

443
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they want to photograph it and follow it

444
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into the bush and take photographs

445
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because they can

446
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see it's landing whatever it is it's

447
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landing

448
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in the bush in the scrub wow so she

449
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pleads with them and so they scream

450
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two kilometers down the road to exmuth

451
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drop her off and she runs the way she

452
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describes it she was so freaked she runs

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home

454
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runs into her bedroom locks all the

455
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doors and just for two days forgets

456
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about it which is interesting in itself

457
00:15:50,310 --> 00:15:49,360
it is yeah it's strange yeah she forgets

458
00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:50,320
about it

459
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and then two days later these two

460
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american military policemen and i've

461
00:15:57,350 --> 00:15:55,360
spoken

462
00:16:00,550 --> 00:15:57,360
to people who can testify to this

463
00:16:03,829 --> 00:16:00,560
happening they walk into her workplace

464
00:16:05,910 --> 00:16:03,839
and they demand that she comes with them

465
00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:05,920
and she thinks her friends at the base

466
00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:07,519
with whom she was having a good time

467
00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:08,480
have gone into trouble

468
00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:10,480
for carousing on the base late at night

469
00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:11,680
and so she doesn't want them to get into

470
00:16:14,069 --> 00:16:12,639
trouble so she

471
00:16:15,269 --> 00:16:14,079
she goes with them you know she's a nice

472
00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:15,279
young woman she wants to help her

473
00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:16,480
friends

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but as she's driven there she realizes

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this isn't about them being on the base

476
00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:23,759
at night it's

477
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it's about that object that she'd seen

478
00:16:30,150 --> 00:16:28,160
because she's taken into this very

479
00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:30,160
secure part of the base which is well

480
00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:31,360
known

481
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as the top secret part of the base and

482
00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:34,480
um

483
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she's there's no stopping at the gate

484
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there's no checking if

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her data or her licence or anything like

486
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that they're just waved straight through

487
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and then she's taken into this room and

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the first thing she sees are the two

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policemen sitting dejectedly on chairs

490
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in the middle of a room

491
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and they're really hanged off they look

492
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like they've been there for hours and

493
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they had been and they'd been questioned

494
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about

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the circumstances in which they'd

496
00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:01,920
clearly improperly illegally given this

497
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:02,880
young woman

498
00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:05,439
a ride home and she clearly seen

499
00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:05,919
something

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she wasn't meant to see because

501
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in the room annie knows all the

502
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americans in

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exmouth who go to the base she knows

504
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:16,000
them all intimately the only person she

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00:17:19,110 --> 00:17:16,880
can recognize

506
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is the base commander who's sitting up

507
00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:20,799
the back not really taking part in

508
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proceedings

509
00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:24,079
but all around her there are these very

510
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senior brass

511
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dressed in civilian suits uniform

512
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and it's clear people have come in

513
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especially for this debriefing

514
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and she's questioned for hours about

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what she saw

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and she says i saw some kind of craft

517
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some kind of ufo flying saucer whatever

518
00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:45,200
you want to call it

519
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:48,480
and they begin to tell her that she

520
00:17:53,830 --> 00:17:49,360
didn't

521
00:17:54,549 --> 00:17:53,840
flying saucer she just saw a weather

522
00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:54,559
balloon and

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00:17:57,750 --> 00:17:56,000
she thinks that's funny because she

524
00:17:59,510 --> 00:17:57,760
actually laughs at them because

525
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her dad used to launch the weather

526
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:01,120
balloons in this part of

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00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:03,360
western australia he you know her family

528
00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:06,320
are very respected family they've

529
00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:08,080
for a long time had a good relationship

530
00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:10,480
with the bureau of meteorology

531
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and she's a feisty australian girl of

532
00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:14,160
italian

533
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:16,080
descent she stands up for herself and

534
00:18:19,350 --> 00:18:18,240
gives a lip back and says i'm not bloody

535
00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:19,360
saying it was a

536
00:18:25,029 --> 00:18:22,320
balloon and you know you can't make me

537
00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:25,039
change my mind about what i say and

538
00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:26,559
after a while they're somewhat

539
00:18:29,029 --> 00:18:28,000
frustrated and they just accept that

540
00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:29,039
they can't

541
00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:31,520
stop her from thinking what she thinks

542
00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:33,280
but she's basically strongly it's

543
00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:33,840
strongly

544
00:18:37,830 --> 00:18:35,760
clear to her that she's not meant to

545
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:37,840
talk about what she saw

546
00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:39,440
which is interesting to me because it

547
00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:41,280
does suggest that the americans

548
00:18:44,950 --> 00:18:44,000
knew what this was or at least were

549
00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:44,960
aware of it

550
00:18:48,630 --> 00:18:46,559
to the extent of wanting to keep it

551
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:48,640
secret so were they working

552
00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:51,919
on some new technology and the timing's

553
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:53,200
interesting because if you think about

554
00:18:55,909 --> 00:18:54,000
this i mean i'm

555
00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:55,919
joining some dots here but if you think

556
00:18:59,110 --> 00:18:57,280
that maybe just

557
00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:59,120
maybe there's something to the

558
00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:01,280
possibility that the us

559
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:04,400
was testing anti-gravity technology or

560
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:06,080
new propulsion technology

561
00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:09,120
in area 51 nevada test range in the late

562
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:10,160
80s

563
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:11,919
and then it was blown because of people

564
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:14,080
like bob lazar just hypothetically if

565
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:16,000
lazar is telling the truth and if george

566
00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:19,360
naps on the money which i suspect he is

567
00:19:23,909 --> 00:19:22,080
um if you were the americans you'd be

568
00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:23,919
worried about people like jim goodall

569
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:25,600
sitting at the end of your runway with a

570
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:26,320
very

571
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,080
craft taking off and

572
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:32,400
people sitting up in the hills with um

573
00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:34,240
you know night vision cameras and taking

574
00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:35,840
vision that they shouldn't

575
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:38,160
and so if you were the u.s you'd be

576
00:19:40,630 --> 00:19:40,160
looking for a new location to go and

577
00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:40,640
test

578
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:42,559
technology and i don't think it's

579
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:44,160
outside the realm of

580
00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:46,720
probability that um that's what happened

581
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:48,880
here that maybe the us has been testing

582
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:50,240
technology

583
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:52,400
and maybe whoever it was that was

584
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:54,320
controlling that craft if they were

585
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:57,039
on board maybe they thought that it was

586
00:19:59,590 --> 00:19:58,080
an american

587
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:59,600
jeep and that they were buzzing

588
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,280
americans who'd just come out of the

589
00:20:05,909 --> 00:20:03,600
base and they were just having some fun

590
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:05,919
and i can imagine maybe a few butts were

591
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:07,679
kicked along the way because the two

592
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:09,679
policemen were basically scared

593
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:11,280
within an inch of their lives they were

594
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:13,200
basically worried for their lives they

595
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:14,400
were worried they were going to get

596
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:18,080
killed anyway there's a sequel to this

597
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:21,200
because annie

598
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:23,280
as i told you is a very strong-minded

599
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:24,480
woman she's not

600
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:27,600
she's had experiences before where she'd

601
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:28,240
seen

602
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:31,600
weird things most people in experts have

603
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:34,320
there's a long history a long history of

604
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:35,600
locals seeing

605
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:39,760
weird stuff in and around the

606
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:42,640
north west cape area and indeed one

607
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:44,559
person i spoke to actually told me that

608
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:45,280
he was at an

609
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:48,240
outdoor cinema in exmouth the very night

610
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:49,919
that annie saw this object

611
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:53,520
and he and his mates saw objects that he

612
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:55,679
believes were in orbit

613
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:58,080
flitting across the sky dramatically

614
00:21:01,270 --> 00:21:00,000
moving across the sky at impossible

615
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:01,280
speeds and they

616
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:02,880
it was a talking point for them that

617
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,799
they didn't really watch the movie they

618
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,559
sat up and just looked at these objects

619
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:08,720
moving across the sky

620
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:11,840
i've spoken to an sas soldier a very

621
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:15,520
very senior warrant officer who of great

622
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:18,000
repute his own commanding officer in the

623
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:19,600
paperwork that i've seen i found the

624
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:21,679
defense department files that record his

625
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:22,880
sighting

626
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:25,760
he and another warrant officer saw a

627
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,559
spherical

628
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:28,320
intelligently controlled object that

629
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:29,840
hovered over the raf

630
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:33,360
liamonth base where the sas was doing an

631
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:35,120
exercise which is only

632
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,840
a short distance drive from this secret

633
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:39,840
american australian base

634
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:42,080
right but anyway any prefacing all that

635
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:43,280
with the fact that annie and

636
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:45,679
many many locals have clearly seen

637
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:48,799
anomalous objects for many many years

638
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,000
i'll go on to tell you what happened

639
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:52,559
next because she contacted her

640
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,320
cousin who's a lovely fella and he

641
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:58,400
drove down from the kimberley which is a

642
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,360
huge drive about a 10-hour drive but

643
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:03,039
you know he was really interested to get

644
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:04,799
to the bottom of this and so he

645
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:08,400
and annie went around to the

646
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:11,520
house that they knew was lived in by one

647
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,480
of these two

648
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:14,799
federal police officers that had

649
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,000
basically seen

650
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:18,559
this anomalous object with her that

651
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:19,280
night

652
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:22,960
right and they knocked on the door

653
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:25,760
and he freaked when she was standing

654
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:26,080
there

655
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,679
and basically said come in come in did

656
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,039
anybody see you you know and he was

657
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:30,960
really really panicked

658
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:35,280
and um the way it's been told to me

659
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:37,760
he the federal police officer admitted

660
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,400
that they

661
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,320
had gone back after they dropped any off

662
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,480
that they'd secured photographs

663
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:44,880
of incredibly clear photographs of this

664
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:47,360
object whatever it was

665
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:50,320
landed or hovering in the shrubs the

666
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:50,880
bush

667
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,640
adjacent to the side of the road on the

668
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,559
exmouth road near the north west cape

669
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:56,000
base

670
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,679
and they got fantastic photographs but

671
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:01,840
unfortunately as you would probably know

672
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:04,159
every american military base has

673
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,080
cheap everything it's a great place to

674
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:07,919
get photographs developed to buy cheap

675
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:08,640
clothes

676
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:11,600
cheap booze cheap coca-cola whatever you

677
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:12,480
want

678
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:14,799
and so they went and got the film that

679
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:15,679
they'd shot

680
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:18,400
developed at a photographic machine on

681
00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:19,280
the base

682
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,919
the following week and they were showing

683
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:24,000
these photographs to people on the base

684
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,000
and the way he told them he was arrested

685
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:30,880
and he and his colleague were thrown in

686
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:32,960
the brig and then interrogated for

687
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,600
several days about what they'd done

688
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,679
they'd let this australian girl

689
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:39,760
in complete breach of protocol into

690
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:41,039
their car and

691
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,520
somebody or something had buzzed the

692
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,880
four-wheel drive and

693
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,799
it was clearly something that any a

694
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:48,240
local wasn't

695
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:52,240
meant to have seen now

696
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:55,120
she and other locals have told me that

697
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:55,840
they think

698
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:59,279
that that the us is

699
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,200
experimenting with technology up there

700
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:03,120
but they also don't think this explains

701
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,240
everything that they've seen

702
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:06,720
that they do think that there is some

703
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:07,440
kind of

704
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:10,080
incredibly advanced technology operating

705
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,760
up there that they're not entirely sure

706
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:13,360
is american

707
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,559
and the reason they say this is because

708
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:19,120
i went up there for australia's 60

709
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:20,080
minutes

710
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:22,960
and um i'd sort of let it be known that

711
00:24:27,390 --> 00:24:25,120
i was interested in the uap phenomenon

712
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:27,400
because i'd heard about the october

713
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:30,159
1973 incident from defence

714
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,600
archives and a few of the locals were a

715
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:35,520
bit suspicious of me on that trip but

716
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,320
then

717
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:38,799
when i went back they kind of knew me by

718
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,919
that stage because i'd been sitting

719
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,679
around in the pub and trying to engage

720
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:43,200
people in conversation somewhat for

721
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:44,480
lonely and

722
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:45,600
they were a bit worried i was going to

723
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,360
hit them with a tv camera because my

724
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:49,200
crew were there as well and so i went

725
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:50,000
back

726
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:53,120
without a camera and um just

727
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,720
sat in the pub and tried to talk to

728
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,480
people and

729
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,720
one night this guy in a big yellow

730
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,720
fluorescent vest a workman

731
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:03,039
clearly walked up to me in the pub and

732
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,039
he said are you that journo that's been

733
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,600
investigating ufos and i went

734
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,679
yep and i was thinking oh christ he's

735
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:11,600
going to abuse me or something but um

736
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:13,919
instead he went good because we've all

737
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:15,039
seen them

738
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,799
wow and then he turned and he pointed to

739
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:18,320
these guys on another table who was sort

740
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,520
of looking at me like this

741
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,960
and they all sort of said come on come

742
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,640
over and then i just sat there with

743
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:24,240
these guys and bought them beers and

744
00:25:27,909 --> 00:25:25,600
they told me how as

745
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:27,919
road workers they were working on roads

746
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,080
and because it's so bloody hot up there

747
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,919
you often work on the roads in the early

748
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:33,679
evening or the early morning

749
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:37,200
they would see anomalous objects all

750
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:40,559
the time and then i met they introduced

751
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:41,440
me to

752
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:44,880
a local fisherman a commercial fisherman

753
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:48,240
who described to me how

754
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,840
they had the lights off on the fishing

755
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,760
boat he was having a durry so he was

756
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:53,760
having a cigarette late at night

757
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:56,480
and just sitting on the side of the boat

758
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,120
beautiful

759
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:59,120
clear crystal clear night he was looking

760
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:01,919
at the stars and the satellites and

761
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:04,000
he noticed one satellite that was moving

762
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,840
incredibly fast

763
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,039
and then he realized it wasn't a

764
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,200
satellite because it changed course

765
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:11,279
and then it it literally in the space of

766
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:12,960
a few seconds

767
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:17,120
he believes came from orbit and

768
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:20,559
he watched as it hit the water probably

769
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:23,600
no further than a kilometer from him and

770
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:25,120
what he says is really interesting he

771
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:25,520
says

772
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,840
it didn't cause the kind of splash that

773
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,679
you would imagine an object like that

774
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,159
would cause it's almost as if the water

775
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:34,159
displaced for whatever the object

776
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:37,520
was and then he'd called his mates and

777
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,039
they all came running out and they

778
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,360
watched on the side of the boat as this

779
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:43,120
light

780
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:46,640
from within the object moved underwater

781
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:49,840
at incredible speed and then took off

782
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:51,360
to a distance where they couldn't see it

783
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:53,679
anymore and

784
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:57,600
i i've spoken to soldiers civilians

785
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,640
who've seen orbs gigantic

786
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,360
black triangles very similar to the one

787
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:05,039
that any described

788
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,039
i've even spoken to a former royal

789
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:09,279
australian air force

790
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:12,080
senior officer who lives in that part of

791
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,760
western australia or not too far from

792
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:15,200
that part of western australia and he

793
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:16,400
told me he'd also

794
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,760
seen the big black triangle that annie

795
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,279
described

796
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,240
something something is going on in that

797
00:27:28,050 --> 00:27:26,480
part of australia and um

798
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:28,060
it's interesting because um

799
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,600
[Music]

800
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,440
i i still don't think we've got to the

801
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:33,360
bottom of exactly what's been going on

802
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,200
there but

803
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:37,840
my investigations led me on to the fact

804
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:39,039
that

805
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,880
the second most interesting base in

806
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:42,720
australia is the pine gap

807
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:45,760
joint facility that we operate with the

808
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:48,159
americans in central australia near

809
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,320
uluru near year's rock

810
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,640
yeah and one of my questions for you

811
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,480
today was going to be just basically

812
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,159
what what do we know about pine gap

813
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,159
because it's it's been spoken about for

814
00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:00,000
quite some time for decades in fact i've

815
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:01,600
just heard it coming up here and there

816
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,159
but

817
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:04,080
no one ever says anything about it all

818
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,360
right there's a lot of

819
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:07,279
there's a lot of nonsense in ufology

820
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:08,640
people talk about sort of you know

821
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,279
multiple

822
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,840
underground chambers and secret alien

823
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:13,440
experiments i've got no evidence to

824
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,640
suggest that's going on

825
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,559
but i mean what it's really doing in

826
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:18,399
reality is it's still quite mind-blowing

827
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:19,360
it's um

828
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:21,760
again it's probably the most important

829
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:23,919
american base outside of the continental

830
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:24,559
usa

831
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:26,720
anywhere in the world and what it what

832
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:28,480
it does is

833
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:31,279
it provides early warning of missile

834
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:31,919
launches

835
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:35,200
by america's enemies and rivals

836
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:38,640
and so if you see a rocket flare

837
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:42,480
over north korea or china or russia

838
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:45,120
the dsp the defense support program

839
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,640
satellites that are hovering in

840
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:48,480
geostationary orbit over the planet

841
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,039
including over australia

842
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,760
they pick up those flares and that's

843
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,360
just part of the technology that's

844
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:57,360
operating there there's now a space

845
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,200
telescope that the u.s has recently

846
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:01,279
installed at experts

847
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,039
near the top of the harold holt base

848
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:07,520
and there's the jinderley over the

849
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,640
horizon

850
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:10,640
radar network which was originally

851
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,080
conceived as a backscatter

852
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,120
radar just for monitoring um

853
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:17,039
the sort of south pacific in indonesia

854
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:18,480
and southeast asia and

855
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,000
it's actually it's turned out to be a

856
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:22,240
much more effective monitor of the

857
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:25,760
ionosphere the lower earth orbit and

858
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,640
my sources tell me it's a very good

859
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,799
detection system for objects coming in

860
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,480
and out of orbit so

861
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:34,399
if the north koreans for example the

862
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,760
chinese are experimenting with

863
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:37,039
intercontinental ballistic or

864
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:38,799
short-range missiles then you can pick

865
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:39,600
those up

866
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,039
and um so pine gap's

867
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:44,880
primary role is essentially as an early

868
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:47,520
warning for you know nuclear war if you

869
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,720
like

870
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,960
the bad guys doing bad stuff with short

871
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:52,720
range or intermediate weapons

872
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,360
it played a key role for example in the

873
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,440
iraq and afghanistan wars

874
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:59,840
its detect detection technology is

875
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,799
exceptional and

876
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:03,039
frankly it serves a very useful and

877
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:05,600
important purpose

878
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:08,399
in protecting defense and and you know

879
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:09,200
we shouldn't

880
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:10,640
think of it as a bad thing it's an

881
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:13,120
important part of the um

882
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,480
yakuza the uk usa five eyes

883
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,640
alliance which essentially is an

884
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:19,919
intelligence alliance that has

885
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,120
essentially provided

886
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,039
security now for the planet for the last

887
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:24,720
76 years and

888
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:28,320
assured i think american military

889
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:32,559
dominance which is why which is why

890
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:35,919
this phenomenon is so important because

891
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,960
i think

892
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:39,120
in all the analyses people fail to

893
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:40,000
realize that

894
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,640
every american military doctrine since

895
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,159
world war ii

896
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:46,000
has been based around the notion of

897
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:48,640
force dominance that the americans will

898
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:52,080
always enjoy aerospace technological

899
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,080
dominance over their rivals and they

900
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:55,919
have largely you know

901
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:57,919
there's no way russia could have made an

902
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,799
sr 71 or a u2 the bureaucracy would have

903
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,399
made it impossible and

904
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,039
you know people like ben rich incredible

905
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:07,279
visionary aerospace geniuses who were

906
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:08,480
encouraged with

907
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:11,360
unlimited amounts of cash to create

908
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,320
fantastic

909
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:14,880
aerospace craft you know they're heroes

910
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:17,519
really because they essentially

911
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,159
protected the the west from global

912
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:22,159
communism and you know that needs to be

913
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:23,360
acknowledged i preface

914
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,679
everything i say here with the fact that

915
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,080
i don't think pine gap is a bad thing

916
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,120
uh as a as a way of protecting us

917
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:33,600
against our potential adversaries

918
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:36,799
but i'm also told by sources both in our

919
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,080
military and also

920
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,640
particularly in the u.s military and

921
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:42,240
intelligence services that

922
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:45,760
pine gap in particular but also

923
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:48,240
north west cape and the space telescope

924
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:49,760
they are increasingly

925
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:53,440
detecting what are colloquially known

926
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:57,200
as fast walkers anomalous objects

927
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:58,480
so i was just going to say that's

928
00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:00,159
something we heard in the podesta emails

929
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:00,720
i believe

930
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:02,799
as well yeah yeah well one of the people

931
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:03,840
that i interviewed

932
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:09,519
um in the book uh is a guy who

933
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:13,120
basically told me that that he saw

934
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:15,519
some of the data flow from the dsp

935
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:16,480
satellites that

936
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:19,760
feed through pine gap and other american

937
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,000
facilities and and he saw the downlink

938
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:24,320
in long beach california an aerospace

939
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:25,120
company

940
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:28,000
which i suspect was either trw or

941
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:29,679
lockheed martin

942
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:32,480
and what he's told me he saw was an

943
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:33,279
object that

944
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,360
clearly came from deep space at speed

945
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:39,360
clearly intelligently controlled because

946
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,519
it changed course

947
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:43,600
and then it altered velocity and went

948
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:45,279
into the earth's

949
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:48,559
atmosphere and i've spoken since

950
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:51,200
as a result of that and i've shown it i

951
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,880
used it as a way of encouraging people

952
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,480
to talk to me about it because as a

953
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,240
journalist what you do is you approach

954
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:57,840
somebody and you say look

955
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,679
can you talk to me about what you've

956
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:00,880
seen on the

957
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,279
you know the radar arrays or the data

958
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,200
feeds coming in at pine gap and they go

959
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:07,120
no way i'm never going to talk to you

960
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:08,240
about that

961
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:10,080
and so what i've done is i've basically

962
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:12,399
gone to those incredible podesta emails

963
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:13,919
and i've said well look this is what one

964
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:14,320
guy

965
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:17,679
said he saw in the 1980s uh

966
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:20,080
in long beach in california you know

967
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:21,360
what you're talking to me about is

968
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,840
pretty well known now you know it's

969
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,960
disgusting i was friendly with a guy

970
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:26,799
before he passed away called jeff

971
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:29,120
richelson who did a lot of the work to

972
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:30,720
analyze what

973
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:34,799
places like pine gap did and

974
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,799
in my own role as an investigative

975
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:38,480
journalist i did a lot of work

976
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:41,919
on the yakuza the five eyes alliances

977
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:43,200
communications

978
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:45,519
surveillance the essentially the tapping

979
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:48,559
into microwave links by satellite

980
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:51,760
or the um tapping by induction of

981
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,799
underwater cables or essentially just

982
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:56,480
the the uh interception of

983
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:58,000
communications fiber optic

984
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,240
communications that the us is now doing

985
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:02,240
or satellite communications on a global

986
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:02,960
scale

987
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:06,159
yeah and and that echelon communications

988
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:09,520
surveillance opened my eyes to

989
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:12,879
the incredible extent to which you in

990
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:13,679
the uk

991
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:17,119
the gchq australia the asd

992
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,879
formerly the defense signals directorate

993
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:20,639
the australian signals directorate

994
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:23,520
um the american national security agency

995
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:24,240
canadian

996
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:26,159
cse communications security

997
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,000
establishment and the kiwis

998
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:30,399
we all collaborate essentially to bug

999
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:32,720
communications and spy

1000
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,280
as a way of ensuring the dominance if

1001
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,760
you like of the five eyes alliance so

1002
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,280
no wonder the russians and the chinese

1003
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,399
get the shits with us but the um

1004
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,240
the the reality is that we're also

1005
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:46,240
collaborating i'm told increasingly and

1006
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:47,119
tim mcmillan

1007
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:49,040
of the debrief has done quite a lot of

1008
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:51,440
work on this but i've confirmed what tim

1009
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,639
said which is that there is um

1010
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:57,119
increasingly collaboration in terms of

1011
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:58,079
data collection

1012
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:01,440
about anomalous phenomena and

1013
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:04,079
now that we've got this incredible memo

1014
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,720
from

1015
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,040
kathleen hicks of the u.s defense

1016
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:09,119
department essentially ordering

1017
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:11,119
american air crew american defense

1018
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:12,880
personnel to

1019
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:15,599
report uaps i think it's going to become

1020
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:16,240
more

1021
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:19,359
overt i had a guy contact me

1022
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:22,880
yesterday who saw an incident

1023
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,280
in a state in northern america which

1024
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,359
he saw on his radar scope which is just

1025
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:31,200
absolutely mind-blowing you know a

1026
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,480
gigantic

1027
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:34,800
uap and the reason he was approaching me

1028
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,079
was because

1029
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,160
he was aware of the openness that's

1030
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:40,240
being manifested by decisions like this

1031
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:42,000
by the department of defense and

1032
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,680
he's decided to speak publicly and he

1033
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:45,359
wanted to engage with me and talk to me

1034
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,560
about it so um

1035
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,320
i'm really excited to be hearing from

1036
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:50,079
people like that yeah they are they've

1037
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,960
started coming out

1038
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,880
all sorts of places you know i've been

1039
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,400
contacted by people

1040
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,400
um i know friends of mine have been as

1041
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,560
well and it's just miraculous to see

1042
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:01,200
the tides changing finally for these

1043
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,240
people that have

1044
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,240
kept quiet and maybe even struggled

1045
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:06,000
behind the scenes sometimes i believe

1046
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,720
you know

1047
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:08,320
having this burden on their shoulders

1048
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,520
what they've seen and they're not able

1049
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,599
to talk about it and things like that

1050
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:13,119
well i mean i think a lot of them the

1051
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:14,720
way it's been explained to me a lot of

1052
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,440
them

1053
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:17,280
are still convinced that it's secret

1054
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,040
american technology

1055
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:21,040
and they didn't want their patriots they

1056
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:22,400
don't want to compromise something that

1057
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:24,160
they think is giving america a strategic

1058
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,280
advantage

1059
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:27,359
but now that you've got kathleen hicks

1060
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,960
the deputy secretary of defense

1061
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:31,440
issuing a memorandum like that and now

1062
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:32,240
that you've got

1063
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:35,280
eminent reputable people like um uh

1064
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:36,960
christopher mellon the former deputy

1065
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,839
assistant secretary of defense lou

1066
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,240
elizondo

1067
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:42,480
you've got james woolsey a former cia

1068
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,760
director i've

1069
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:45,440
forgotten the other cia director's name

1070
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,880
but you've got the former dni

1071
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:48,960
john ratcliffe you've got president

1072
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:50,960
obama i mean you've got people

1073
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,160
at a very senior level in the military

1074
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,480
and defense and intelligence hierarchy

1075
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:58,160
in the united states

1076
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:01,200
now doing a complete backflip we're in a

1077
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,839
completely new paradigm where

1078
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:05,680
officials who previously wouldn't give

1079
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:07,119
this subject the time of day

1080
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:09,280
and now acknowledging not only that it's

1081
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:11,920
real but that it does deserve to be

1082
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:12,800
investigated

1083
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,440
it is contrary to what we were told in

1084
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:17,280
the wake of project blue book

1085
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:20,160
it is a flight safety issue you know

1086
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:21,440
these pilots have

1087
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:24,160
reported 11 near misses according to the

1088
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:24,720
uap

1089
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:28,720
report that was filed in the congress

1090
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:30,880
you know we are in a completely new

1091
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:32,000
paradigm now

1092
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,440
where for its own reasons the pentagon

1093
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:37,119
is now saying yeah this is

1094
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,760
this is real hey guys you know gosh

1095
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,440
we've just discovered this phenomenon

1096
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:43,040
you know this is the implausible thing

1097
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:44,720
to me about this that they've set this

1098
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:45,440
date

1099
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,480
arbitrarily from 2004

1100
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:50,000
and we're meant to believe that they've

1101
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:51,920
just suddenly discovered that there's

1102
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:53,359
something going on that they didn't know

1103
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:54,000
about

1104
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:57,520
i i i call bs on that but i do think

1105
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,839
it's a positive thing at least that the

1106
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:02,160
us in particular but also

1107
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:03,760
my government you know i'm having

1108
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,839
conversations with people

1109
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,839
uh here in the hope that i can get

1110
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:09,680
people to be more open about some

1111
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,440
incidents that i know of that have taken

1112
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,200
place in australia that have not yet

1113
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:15,200
been publicly reported

1114
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,920
and there's genuine surprise that their

1115
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:19,119
american ally

1116
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:22,240
is talking about it in fact i approached

1117
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:23,200
an australian

1118
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:26,400
official a week ago about something that

1119
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:29,680
he was shocked to hear from me that i'd

1120
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:32,000
i've been told about it by a particular

1121
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,599
official who'd suggested i go and talk

1122
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:35,040
to him about it

1123
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:38,000
and he said you got to speak to blair

1124
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,640
and i went

1125
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,560
yeah yeah and they're engaging with

1126
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,000
people like me about

1127
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:44,000
this phenomenon they want it talked

1128
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:45,839
about and this is what

1129
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:48,880
i'm excited about is i i suspect that

1130
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:49,920
there is a bit of a

1131
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,720
um an attempt to control the narrative

1132
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:54,720
going on inside the pentagon

1133
00:38:59,829 --> 00:38:57,440
but i'm finding as a so-called

1134
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,839
mainstream investigative journalist

1135
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:01,200
there is a willingness

1136
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,800
and an openness a preparedness to engage

1137
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:07,040
that i've never seen before yeah and

1138
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,880
it's a very positive thing it's only to

1139
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:10,079
be applauded

1140
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,800
no absolutely i completely agree and one

1141
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,400
thing i did want to touch upon you with

1142
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:16,400
is the admiral wilson documents

1143
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:20,320
the wilson davis notes i mean

1144
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:22,000
so many people talk about them they

1145
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,359
still speculate if they're

1146
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:25,920
completely genuine or not what are your

1147
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:26,720
thoughts on

1148
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:29,760
on the notes okay my perception

1149
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:32,640
is molded by the fact that i have a

1150
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:34,880
source who prefers to remain anomalous

1151
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,280
anonymous who is the keeper of the edgar

1152
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:39,359
mitchell archive

1153
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:42,480
and that source is the person who

1154
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:43,280
provided

1155
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,560
the eric davis memo

1156
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,560
otherwise known as the admiral wilson

1157
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:49,920
memo

1158
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,440
to james rigney my australian colleague

1159
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,599
who then passed it on to grant cameron

1160
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:57,359
and it eventually found its way i think

1161
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:58,480
onto reddit and

1162
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:01,200
became public a couple of years ago yeah

1163
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:02,480
and

1164
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:05,119
that source for their own reasons which

1165
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:05,680
are

1166
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:08,240
quite valid uh wants to stay anonymous

1167
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:08,800
but

1168
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:11,920
they gave me access to

1169
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:15,280
edgar mitchell's private uap ufo

1170
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:18,400
archives and what's fascinating

1171
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:21,599
is they showed that there was a

1172
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:25,280
clear pattern of consistent exchange of

1173
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,079
information

1174
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:28,560
between dr hal put off of the national

1175
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:31,280
institute of discovery science that

1176
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:34,640
for whom this memo was written dr eric

1177
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:37,599
davis who wrote the celebrated admiral

1178
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,000
wilson

1179
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:40,319
memo wrote this memo for nids as a

1180
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:41,520
report to hal

1181
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:44,079
put off on his investigations into

1182
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:45,040
claims that

1183
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:48,160
um admiral wilson and other

1184
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:49,680
senior officials in the defense

1185
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,040
intelligence agency were being

1186
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:53,200
frustrated allegedly in their efforts to

1187
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:55,680
try and find out about a secret

1188
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:58,160
crash retrieval program that the

1189
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,000
pentagon was covering up

1190
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,480
and you know just to give your audience

1191
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:04,160
a quick summary of the implications of

1192
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:04,880
the memo

1193
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,240
if it's true if it's true

1194
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:10,400
the united states is concealing the fact

1195
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,160
that uh

1196
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,640
a flying saucer or a craft of some kind

1197
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:16,480
or perhaps multiple craft are being

1198
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:18,560
concealed by a company in private

1199
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,599
aerospace

1200
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:22,079
in what is obviously a deep black

1201
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:22,640
program

1202
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,440
hidden behind multiple special access

1203
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,280
programs that are probably waived and

1204
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:29,440
unacknowledged

1205
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,319
and admirable wilson allegedly according

1206
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:34,480
to the memo described his attempts to

1207
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,359
eric davis to find out about this secret

1208
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,960
program because initially when he was

1209
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:40,079
told about it by

1210
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:45,040
stephen greer of the disclosure project

1211
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:48,079
he didn't believe it and then greer

1212
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:51,359
gave him some code names which came from

1213
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,240
a separate

1214
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:54,880
uh national reconnaissance organization

1215
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,079
document

1216
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,880
which he validated and found were real

1217
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,680
code names

1218
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,520
and then when he searched behind those

1219
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:03,839
code names according to the

1220
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:08,240
admiral wilson memo the eric davis notes

1221
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,680
they discovered he discovered that there

1222
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:13,920
was indeed a secret program inside the

1223
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:16,079
pentagon jealously guarded by a very

1224
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,599
tight small number of people inside the

1225
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:20,960
military

1226
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:24,079
where a secret back engineering program

1227
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:25,760
attempting to re-engineer

1228
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:28,880
recovered alien spacecraft was being run

1229
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,599
by a private aerospace company under the

1230
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,680
control and edict of the department of

1231
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:35,440
defense i mean it's just

1232
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:39,040
massive if true now i can't i can't

1233
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,720
verify the veracity of the claims that

1234
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,079
eric davis

1235
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,640
makes based on what he says admiral tom

1236
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,240
wilson told him

1237
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,319
the difficulty i have as a journalist is

1238
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:53,040
that i've corresponded with admiral tom

1239
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,000
wilson and

1240
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,040
we've exchanged communications where

1241
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,200
he's made it abundantly clear to me that

1242
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:00,960
he says it's complete nonsense that it

1243
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,960
never happened he never met dr eric

1244
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:04,079
davis

1245
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:05,920
never had a meeting of this kind never

1246
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:07,599
made statements such as this

1247
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,480
to dr eric davis or anyone and that he

1248
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:12,640
has not made any secret investigations

1249
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:13,839
inside the pentagon

1250
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:16,960
to into an alleged program that's hiding

1251
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:17,760
recovered

1252
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,880
alien technology so in the face of that

1253
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,960
denial

1254
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:24,560
i think there's quite a bit of

1255
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,440
overwhelming evidence to support that

1256
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,839
somebody like admiral tom wilson

1257
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:30,960
actually says

1258
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:33,599
in the memo if it's true that he would

1259
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,560
lie about it

1260
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:37,200
if he was questioned and so this is a

1261
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,640
difficulty with the

1262
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:40,800
plausibly deniable special access

1263
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:42,800
programs where if you're sworn into

1264
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,000
these programs and

1265
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:46,000
you know you take an oath of security

1266
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,119
and secrecy

1267
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:49,440
you have to lie about them if yeah

1268
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,200
you're confronted about them

1269
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,359
so i i don't for a moment doubt that

1270
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,440
admiral tom wilson is an extremely

1271
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:57,440
highly respected and honorable

1272
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,560
military officer i cannot attest as to

1273
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:02,880
the veracity of the assertions made

1274
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:05,200
in the admiral wilson memo because tom

1275
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:09,200
wilson denies them flatly directly to me

1276
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:12,319
but i do believe eric davis had a

1277
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,280
conversation

1278
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:15,440
with a person that he believes was the

1279
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:16,960
former director of the

1280
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:19,200
defense intelligence agency admiral tom

1281
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,160
wilson

1282
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:22,640
and he believes that he was told what he

1283
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:23,359
was told

1284
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:27,280
by admiral tom wilson so go figure

1285
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,359
yeah and the interesting thing is how

1286
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:31,680
put off has confirmed incidentally

1287
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:34,000
the provenance of the memo by asserting

1288
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:35,440
that dr eric davis

1289
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,480
did meet with admiral tom wilson

1290
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,800
and i go into a lot of detail i do a

1291
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:42,560
very methodical

1292
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:44,079
investigation because i think it

1293
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:46,000
warrants it in the book

1294
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:49,599
explaining why i don't think

1295
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:52,400
the admiral wilson memo can be dismissed

1296
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:53,839
out of hand

1297
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:56,720
and my investigations took me on to

1298
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,280
other

1299
00:45:01,750 --> 00:45:00,000
unconnected officials who confirmed to

1300
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:01,760
me on the record

1301
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,440
notably nat cobits the former director

1302
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,359
of science and technology development

1303
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:09,200
for the us navy

1304
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,839
he confirmed to me on the record whether

1305
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,280
i should believe it or not

1306
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,319
that he was read into he was briefed and

1307
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:18,560
given the security oafs

1308
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:22,480
read into a crash retrieval program

1309
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:24,800
involving the retrieval and attempts to

1310
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:25,839
back engineer

1311
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:32,790
so again as a journalist i don't

1312
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:34,400
immediately leap to the conclusion that

1313
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:35,359
this is all true

1314
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:38,079
because this could be it could be an

1315
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:40,000
elaborate disinformation program

1316
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,760
by the us government designed to try and

1317
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,839
impress the russians or the chinese you

1318
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,359
know don't screw with us because we've

1319
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,200
got technology you guys can only dream

1320
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,990
but i am genuinely of the view

1321
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:57,920
because of the assertions that have been

1322
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:01,040
made by chris mellon louis lozando

1323
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:04,960
dr eric davis and privately to me

1324
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:08,400
numerous numerous other officials

1325
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:09,680
including people who

1326
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:12,240
purport to have worked inside the

1327
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:13,520
program

1328
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,160
i do believe that the us has recovered

1329
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:18,240
what louis lozando has on occasion

1330
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:19,599
referred to as

1331
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:22,800
craft vehicle

1332
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,160
or just exotic technology yeah

1333
00:46:30,670 --> 00:46:28,800
somebody knows something about recovered

1334
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:30,680
technology that they believe is

1335
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:31,920
non-terrestrial

1336
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,720
non-human intelligently crafted

1337
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:36,319
technology from

1338
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:39,440
somewhere else wow and i know that's a

1339
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,160
big call

1340
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:42,160
and i know a lot of my journal friends

1341
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,839
in mainstream media are going to go oh

1342
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,160
ross has gone completely nuts

1343
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,800
but but you know when you have officials

1344
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:49,920
on the record

1345
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,560
making these assertions you know there's

1346
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,160
that amazing interview that louis

1347
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:56,400
lozando had with tucker carlson

1348
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:58,000
where tucker actually asks him you know

1349
00:47:02,309 --> 00:46:59,520
has the u.s recovered

1350
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:02,319
alien technology or something like that

1351
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:02,720
yeah

1352
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:05,200
and and lose wrestling with it he talks

1353
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,800
initially about his national security

1354
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:08,640
oath and how he can't talk about it so

1355
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:09,359
tucker

1356
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:13,599
start winding up you know he goes okay

1357
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:16,720
but then lou cuts over him and goes but

1358
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,920
yes you know he actually comes back and

1359
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,839
actually he is yes he answers yes to the

1360
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,280
question

1361
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,599
that's a momentous moment for me you

1362
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,520
know you've got the former director

1363
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:29,520
or you know okay let's not quibble was

1364
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:31,119
he the director but he was certainly a

1365
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:32,160
senior

1366
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:36,240
leader inside the defense department's

1367
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:39,680
investigations into ufos yeah um

1368
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:42,160
and i can tell you do not screw around

1369
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:43,200
with luiz ondo

1370
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:46,640
i i have spoken to people who have

1371
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,240
attested to me just how highly

1372
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:53,520
cleared lou elizondo was and

1373
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:57,200
is the guy was so plugged in

1374
00:48:00,950 --> 00:48:00,079
people will be amazed if and when this

1375
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:00,960
ever comes out

1376
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:04,160
in a few years time that's it

1377
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,839
i've got a good rapport with lou so i'm

1378
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:07,200
on the right side of the

1379
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:10,000
of that map no i do not i do not buy

1380
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:10,559
into the

1381
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,599
bs where you know people in ufology play

1382
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,760
these silly sniping games where they

1383
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:18,000
they're playing silly games about you

1384
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:20,160
know whether or not the um the

1385
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:21,920
military's right when it comes back with

1386
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:24,160
these pathetic denials about whether or

1387
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:24,800
not

1388
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:27,920
he headed a program i just don't care

1389
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:30,079
the bottom line is he was he was in a

1390
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,280
senior role

1391
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,359
and he was in a position to know some

1392
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,760
pretty staggering stuff

1393
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,920
and i know this because people i know

1394
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,440
here in australia who've worked with him

1395
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:41,359
in special forces have vouched for him

1396
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:42,960
as a man of impeccable

1397
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,359
reputation and we're very very lucky to

1398
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:46,960
have somebody like him who's

1399
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,480
pushing publicly and i think insanely

1400
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:52,319
taking risks you know it's incredibly

1401
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:53,760
good that he's doing this

1402
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:57,119
but pushing publicly for transparency

1403
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,000
and disclosure

1404
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,480
and openness it only begs the question

1405
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,079
what does he know that

1406
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:04,079
we don't know that's making him think it

1407
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,599
needs to be exposed

1408
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,040
well i mean you asked him a question

1409
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,359
yourself didn't you if um

1410
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:11,200
if there was imagery that would blow

1411
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:12,559
people's socks off i think were your

1412
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:13,520
words and he

1413
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,800
he replied with a smirk absolutely

1414
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:18,640
and i was going to ask you that you know

1415
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,800
did he allude off camera to anything

1416
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:22,720
to you because you know recently he's

1417
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,280
spoken about this 23 minute video

1418
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:27,760
and other other things have been hinted

1419
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,720
so

1420
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:30,880
anything i discussed with lou off camera

1421
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:31,839
is on background

1422
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:34,800
only and i i can't i can't abuse the

1423
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,599
privilege of

1424
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,280
having a confidential conversation with

1425
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:39,359
a source you know he's he's been here

1426
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:41,920
he's incredibly open and uh but at the

1427
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:42,720
same time

1428
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:44,960
he honors his security oath he's not

1429
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,920
someone who's

1430
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,599
going to be anything other than an

1431
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:49,119
american patriot

1432
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,400
um he's um motivated i think by the very

1433
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:54,480
best of motives as is chris mellon

1434
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,119
yeah and as are the other people because

1435
00:50:03,030 --> 00:49:59,280
what happened when i spoke to nat

1436
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:03,040
kobets from the um us navy ex-u.s navy i

1437
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,599
mean guy

1438
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:05,920
he was the chief geek the chief research

1439
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:06,720
guy for the

1440
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:09,280
you know the u.s navy if anyone's

1441
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:10,480
briefed into this

1442
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:13,280
he would be and the thing that puzzled

1443
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:14,720
me with nat was he

1444
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,559
he came back to me and i said to him i

1445
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:18,720
said do you think the us has mastered

1446
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:21,119
anti-gravity because there's these wacky

1447
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,480
salvator pay

1448
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:25,200
patents these u.s navy patents that's on

1449
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:26,800
my notes to ask you about

1450
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:29,599
yeah and um so i asked ned i said look

1451
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:30,240
you know

1452
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:35,440
it possible that the us has cracked

1453
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,640
anti-gravity propulsion and he went away

1454
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,079
and he came back to me

1455
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,079
a week or so later and he said now ross

1456
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,160
i've made a few inquiries and he says

1457
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:46,480
i don't think we have i really don't

1458
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:47,920
think we have

1459
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,960
but he said it you know it's clear even

1460
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,480
from the briefing that he'd had that

1461
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:54,079
it's being worked on in the black you

1462
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:54,800
know there's

1463
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:57,200
definitely there are definitely ongoing

1464
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,920
programs involving anti-gravity

1465
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:01,440
and and by the way i'll tell you

1466
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:03,040
something here interesting vinnie that

1467
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,520
i've

1468
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,359
not mentioned yet that i think is really

1469
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:07,200
important i was really interested

1470
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:11,200
in ning li the female chinese scientist

1471
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,000
who

1472
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,640
bobbed up briefly a few years ago in

1473
00:51:18,990 --> 00:51:16,079
huntsville alabama

1474
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:19,000
talking about imminent breakthroughs in

1475
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,559
anti-gravity

1476
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:22,720
talking about how you know the us was

1477
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,599
poised to

1478
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:25,680
you know make astonishing announcements

1479
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,079
about this phenomenon

1480
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,319
have you noticed has anyone out there

1481
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:32,559
noticed that ningli now appears to be in

1482
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,359
china

1483
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:35,040
yeah i saw that there was some a thread

1484
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:37,359
on twitter even yesterday about her that

1485
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:38,960
that suddenly cropped up out of nowhere

1486
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,119
and it was bizarre yeah yeah

1487
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:43,280
and what what the hell's going on and

1488
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,559
i'm told

1489
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:46,480
this is what i was told independently of

1490
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,160
the ning lee stuff i'm told that um

1491
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,880
china is mounting an incredibly

1492
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:54,880
aggressive campaign to get to the bottom

1493
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,920
of what the u.s

1494
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,760
knows and that this might actually be

1495
00:52:02,309 --> 00:51:59,200
hindering

1496
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:02,319
the willingness of the congress

1497
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:05,280
to be more open that for strategic

1498
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:06,880
national security reasons that

1499
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,559
frankly i have to be honest with you

1500
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,319
make some sense

1501
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:12,960
yeah why the hell why the hell should we

1502
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:13,599
know this

1503
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:16,160
if let's you know i've i've been in

1504
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:17,680
situations as a journalist

1505
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:21,200
when on occasion i've known for example

1506
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:22,880
that australian troops are about to be

1507
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:23,920
deployed

1508
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:27,440
into a war zone right and

1509
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:29,280
it was not good that i knew that because

1510
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:30,640
if i'd run that they might have been

1511
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:31,440
compromised

1512
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:33,520
of course and so we made a decision as a

1513
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:35,200
tv network not to run

1514
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:38,480
that story and journalists do you know

1515
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:40,000
we do make even though we're often

1516
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:41,680
accused of being reckless with

1517
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:44,480
national security information we do make

1518
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:46,319
strategic decisions every now and then

1519
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:47,680
about what should and shouldn't be

1520
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,640
published

1521
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:50,400
which by the way if i'm jumping around

1522
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:52,400
is why i have a real be in my bonnet

1523
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:54,079
about julian assange because

1524
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:58,160
he didn't do that no and and uh

1525
00:53:01,510 --> 00:53:00,079
you know i'm shocked about the

1526
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:01,520
circumstances in which

1527
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:04,720
the um guardian published the

1528
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:07,440
encryption code that allowed the full

1529
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:10,160
wikileaks leak to be decrypted

1530
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:12,160
in circumstances that frankly were just

1531
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:13,280
appalling just

1532
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,960
so reckless um and you know

1533
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:18,720
i don't want to sound like a i'm being

1534
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:20,559
an apologist for

1535
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:23,040
the military or the defence forces but

1536
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:23,920
they exist

1537
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:26,480
for very good reasons and i'm privy to

1538
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:28,079
things that i shouldn't be privy to

1539
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:29,680
about what's going on in the world at

1540
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,599
the moment about you know

1541
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,079
a strategically dangerous situation

1542
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:35,920
particularly with china

1543
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:38,559
and we have national security defense

1544
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:39,200
forces

1545
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,040
for very good reasons you know we

1546
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:43,680
operate the five eyes alliance for very

1547
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:46,559
very good reasons you know nobody should

1548
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:47,280
question

1549
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:49,839
why those exist they've saved the

1550
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:50,720
western world

1551
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:53,040
they've kept people safe in their homes

1552
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:54,559
at night

1553
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:58,000
and i guess my worry is that at the very

1554
00:54:03,430 --> 00:53:59,599
time that

1555
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:03,440
the world of ufo uap transparency is

1556
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:04,000
pushing

1557
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,599
for openness we are on the edge of

1558
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:10,000
confrontation with china in a way that

1559
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:11,359
we haven't been for

1560
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:14,960
20 30 years if ever and

1561
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:18,559
it's a real worry and i can see how

1562
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:20,319
strategic decision makers that

1563
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:22,160
might have been leading a push for

1564
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:23,440
transparency and

1565
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:27,119
a greater degree of openness and

1566
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:28,800
dysplasia

1567
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:31,280
say before the 2016 election perhaps

1568
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:32,960
with hillary clinton possibly becoming

1569
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,760
president

1570
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:35,119
i can see how there might have been a

1571
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:36,240
perception that it would have been a

1572
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,920
good idea to come clean about what they

1573
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:39,359
knew back then but

1574
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:41,920
i can see also how possibly the

1575
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:44,640
priorities have changed you know maybe

1576
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,359
maybe that's what's dictating the

1577
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:49,200
slightly slower pace when are seeing in

1578
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,960
washington because i'm really worried

1579
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:52,000
that we're losing the

1580
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:55,920
impetus for congressional hearings

1581
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:58,480
i know lou elizondo and christopher

1582
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,920
mellon are still pushing and they're

1583
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:02,000
still urging ufo twitter and social

1584
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:02,880
media to push

1585
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:05,520
and people should yeah because i think

1586
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:06,880
they're thinking they can get away with

1587
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:07,200
it

1588
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,119
i think they're thinking they can snow

1589
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:11,760
the public for another 50 years

1590
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:14,640
um uh and just quietly get on with what

1591
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:15,920
they've been doing in the black

1592
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:19,280
for you know probably 76 years yeah no

1593
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,160
absolutely

1594
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:22,559
now ross we're almost up at time i could

1595
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,359
talk i mean

1596
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:25,040
my list of questions goes on and on

1597
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:27,359
maybe we'll uh redo this in a few months

1598
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,799
time or something but i'd be very

1599
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,640
i'd be very happy to your show is a

1600
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:32,160
great show i've listened to it

1601
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,599
quite a few times actually without even

1602
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:35,200
realizing it was you

1603
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:38,559
and i uh i uh would be very happy to

1604
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:40,240
take part on a future occasion

1605
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:42,160
that's great but i'm just gonna to to

1606
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:43,839
finish with one question and it's quite

1607
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,880
a light one

1608
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:46,079
in all of your research and

1609
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,160
investigations covering uap

1610
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:50,400
do you have a standout favorite case

1611
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:52,160
let's say anything that really you keep

1612
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,359
going back to

1613
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,400
i'll i'll tell you this

1614
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:58,079
i think i want to flag this as being

1615
00:56:01,910 --> 00:56:00,079
incredibly important the thing i've

1616
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:01,920
flagged a lot in recent interviews is

1617
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:04,000
the wikileaks leaks which basically show

1618
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:06,000
that there were these secret discussions

1619
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:08,160
taking place between generals and

1620
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:11,440
people in aerospace talking about the um

1621
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:12,960
you know the possibility of disclosure

1622
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:14,799
in a hillary clinton presidency but

1623
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,839
i've talked about that but i i want to

1624
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:19,760
really emphasize the significance of

1625
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:21,119
what um jay

1626
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:24,000
of the mind sublime blog discovered on

1627
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:25,359
chris mellon's website

1628
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:28,480
the ninth slide the slide nine

1629
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,559
are you aware of this i am very aware of

1630
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:31,920
it indeed yes

1631
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:34,559
this is a briefing slide that was

1632
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:36,880
provided to the under secretary

1633
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:39,040
for defence in the united states or at

1634
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:40,480
least it was prepared

1635
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:42,160
for a briefing for the under secretary

1636
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:44,720
of defense by atip by the

1637
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:48,160
pentagon funded the dia funded advanced

1638
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:51,680
aerospace threat identification program

1639
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:55,280
and it really pays to read it out

1640
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:57,839
because it says it all yeah and it's

1641
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:00,000
like something out of star trek

1642
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:03,920
dod defense department threat scenario

1643
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:06,000
the science exists for an enemy of the

1644
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:07,760
united states to manipulate both

1645
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,760
physical and cognitive environments in

1646
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:11,040
order to penetrate

1647
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:14,240
us facilities influence decision makers

1648
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:17,359
and compromise national security that

1649
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:18,319
sounds like something out of the

1650
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:19,599
manchurian candidates

1651
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:22,960
influenced decision makers psychotronic

1652
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:23,520
weapons

1653
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:26,559
perception

1654
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:30,240
human consciousness um penetration of

1655
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:32,240
solid surfaces well some of my witnesses

1656
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:33,440
have described to me

1657
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:36,880
seeing orbs penetrating pine gap

1658
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,000
yeah i've heard that story yeah yeah

1659
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,400
uh instantaneous sensor disassembly i

1660
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:44,240
mean it really pays i just want to i

1661
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:45,680
won't read the whole thing out but

1662
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,240
people

1663
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,640
should go to a great bit of work by jay

1664
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,640
from the mind sublime blog i wish i'd

1665
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:52,319
dug this up

1666
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:54,400
and its significance i think has been

1667
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,440
overlooked

1668
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,599
yeah and i think people have hoped that

1669
00:58:02,069 --> 00:57:59,440
its significance would be overlooked

1670
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:02,079
because this is what atip was telling

1671
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:04,000
the department of defense this is what

1672
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:05,599
they were briefing them on

1673
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:08,960
in secret and god knows why the new york

1674
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:10,799
times or the washington post or

1675
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:12,640
any of the mainstream media in the us

1676
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:14,400
haven't looked onto this because

1677
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,079
what it's suggesting is what jacques

1678
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:18,960
vallee said 30 years ago

1679
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,799
that ultimately this phenomenon goes

1680
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:22,559
back to consciousness

1681
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:25,839
yeah and perception whatever whatever

1682
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:26,240
it's

1683
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:30,000
whatever it is it can screw with our

1684
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,680
mind absolutely

1685
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:35,280
that's that's the thing i find

1686
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:37,599
interesting about that that jacques said

1687
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,480
jacques valet said a long long time ago

1688
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:42,480
to those who were prepared to listen

1689
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:45,359
that it was too simplistic have i lost

1690
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:46,640
you

1691
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:50,799
gone so

1692
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:52,720
yeah you're just back now yeah jacques

1693
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:53,920
villa said uh

1694
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:55,760
quite a few years ago that it was too

1695
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:57,200
simplistic to consider that the

1696
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:59,280
phenomenon was just little green men and

1697
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:01,280
alien spacecraft coming to visit planet

1698
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:03,839
earth the extraterrestrial hypothesis

1699
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:04,559
does not

1700
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:07,599
fit the evidence and

1701
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:10,799
to me slide nine is the evidence to

1702
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:12,799
support what jack valet said all those

1703
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:14,079
years ago

1704
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:16,000
yeah i saw an interview recently between

1705
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:17,599
james e and doley have engaged in the

1706
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,599
phenomenon and louis elizondo and he

1707
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:21,760
really focused on slide nine and luke oh

1708
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:23,760
i haven't seen that no

1709
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:26,640
i like james's work what did lou say uh

1710
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:28,000
not a lot but you could say

1711
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:30,079
he would he would have run for cover i'm

1712
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:31,760
sure there's no way he's going to break

1713
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:33,040
a security oath but

1714
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:35,920
now look i've spoken to um that one of

1715
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,400
the most

1716
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:38,480
weird conversations i had was with a guy

1717
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:40,799
who was incredibly senior

1718
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:44,000
at one stage in the fbi

1719
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:48,240
and uh he told me he had had

1720
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:51,280
weird experiences and um you know he'd

1721
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:52,799
woken up in his bedroom

1722
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:56,319
and an entity is at the end of his bed

1723
01:00:01,190 --> 01:00:00,000
and um i thought this guy's bonkers and

1724
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,200
then i checked out

1725
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:03,839
who he was and you know this is a really

1726
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:05,839
senior person who's worked at a very

1727
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:08,160
high level in washington dc

1728
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:11,040
and people i spoke to both in our police

1729
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:12,559
force here in australia they knew him

1730
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:14,400
they respected him enormously

1731
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:17,440
wow and and he described some of that

1732
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:20,319
very phenomena that's in slide 9

1733
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:21,760
a phenomena that is capable of

1734
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,400
manipulating psychotronically

1735
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:26,400
influencing your mind altering your

1736
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:27,680
perception

1737
01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:30,160
this i think is where it's all going

1738
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:30,880
next

1739
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:33,520
i know this is it's fuzzy it's kind of

1740
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:34,799
nebulous

1741
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:36,960
but if this is what the defense

1742
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:38,720
department is being told

1743
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:41,520
by the people that paid to do an

1744
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:42,880
exhaustive inquiry

1745
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:45,920
into the phenomenon yeah this is where

1746
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:47,680
we're going next

1747
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:49,440
that's exciting i think personally i

1748
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:50,799
mean we've tried for decades for the

1749
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:52,559
nuts and bolts route and

1750
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:54,480
it just hasn't really led us anywhere or

1751
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:56,559
so we're led to believe so no i agree

1752
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:57,040
and

1753
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:59,200
my research has started moving into that

1754
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:01,040
area of that right it's time to look

1755
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:03,040
elsewhere and i agree the consciousness

1756
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:04,319
side of things is

1757
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:05,839
is probably one of the most interesting

1758
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:08,319
and most likely directions so i agree

1759
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:08,880
but

1760
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:11,359
listen ross thank you so much it's been

1761
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:12,799
an absolute honor and a pleasure

1762
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:13,920
speaking with you today

1763
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:16,799
and um i have read the book and i would

1764
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:18,319
recommend it to anybody out there

1765
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:20,319
watching now please pick up a copy of in

1766
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:21,359
plain sight it's

1767
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:24,319
fantastic yeah it's it's on sale in the

1768
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:25,440
uk i think from

1769
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:28,480
august the 15th the print copy uh yeah

1770
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:29,119
and it's a

1771
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:30,720
little bit delayed in the us apparently

1772
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:32,400
it's not coming out in the u.s until

1773
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:33,119
october

1774
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:36,240
but um it will get there eventually on

1775
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:37,520
time it will but it is

1776
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:39,520
available on kindle and i think audible

1777
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:41,119
have got the audio book already and i've

1778
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:42,480
heard a lot of praise about the fact

1779
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:44,000
that you actually narrate it yourself

1780
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:45,359
ross which i think

1781
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:47,200
i was i was really worried my aussie

1782
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,960
imitations of american accents were

1783
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:50,640
going to get me made a very unpopular

1784
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:52,000
person i wouldn't be allowed back into

1785
01:01:55,589 --> 01:01:53,920
the states next time i go but uh no i've

1786
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:55,599
had nothing but good things

1787
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:56,880
a lot of people have told me they

1788
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:58,640
particularly loved my imitation of tom

1789
01:02:02,390 --> 01:01:59,119
de long

1790
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:02,400
i just hope tom forgives me that's all

1791
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:04,960
i'm sure he will it's quite forgiving

1792
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:05,680
but uh

1793
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:08,480
yeah thank you so much ross again and uh

1794
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:09,359
we will uh

1795
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:10,720
keep our eyes on all the work that

1796
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:12,000
you've been doing you know and you're

1797
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:13,520
gonna gonna be doing coming up in the

1798
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:15,119
future and like i said i'd love to speak

1799
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:16,160
to you again

1800
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:18,400
uh you know in a few months time any

1801
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:19,920
time vinnie good to talk to you and good

1802
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:21,200
to talk to your listeners

1803
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:22,559
thank you and thank you everyone for

1804
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:25,200
watching and the continued support it's